The.iii chapyter

The messenger moueth that ye very chyrch peraduēture is not the p[…] ple y• we take for it / but a secrete vnknowē sorte of such onely / as be by god predestynate to be saued. Wher vnto the author answereth and declareth that yt can not be so.

PEraduenture q he there myght be sayd / that it nedeth not to a[…] sygne eny place where the very chyrch and true crysten congregacion is. But sythe euery place is indyfferent there vnto / yt may be that all the good men and chosen people of god that […]e predestynate to be saued / in what ꝑte so euer they be / and how so euer they be sca[…]eryd / here […] and there one / here two & there two / that these be the very chirch of Cryst. And be in this world vn[…] […] as yet whyle the chyrche doth […] w[…]nder in y• pylgrymage of this short lyfe. Mary q I thys gere groweth […] worse to worse. And in very dede yet is thys poynt theyr sh[…]te […]. For fyrst they se playnly that they […]/that the very chyrche can neyther be deceyued in the ryght fayth […] my[…]take holy scrypture or mysvnderstande […]/to the introduction of infidelyes & false byleue. And this […] fynde all the heretyques theym self so […] & fa[…]/that they […] well […] they wolde openly and vtterly […] al together / yt […] not be […]. And syth th[…]y […] […] that / and as euydently se therwyth that the chyrche whyche is y• very chyrche in dede / […] all theyr w[…]ye[…]/[…] syth the chyrch can not erre in dyscernynge the trouth / yt must n[…]dy[…] felowe that they mystake theym selfe all the hole mater / & be quyte in a wrō ge way / therfore be they […] to deny for y• chyrch the people that be knowen for the chyrche. And go seke a nother they neyther knowe what nor where / bylde vp in the […]yre […] chyrche all so spyrytuall that they leue therin at length neyther god nor good man. And fyrst where they say that there be none therin but they that be predestynate to be saued / yf the questyon were of the chyrch tryumph[…]unt in heuyn / th[…]n sayd they well. But we sp[…] of ye chyrch of Cryst […] h[…]rein […]. And therfore goth theyr […] fa[…] wyde fro y• place they sholde […]yt […]/as heuī & erth stāde a sonder. For fyrst wolde. I wyte yf the chyrche be none but those that be prede[…]ynate / whyther all that […]en predestynate be membres therof. Why not q he. Than quod I he that […] predestynate to be s[…] ued / whyther m[…]y h[…] or not be dy[…] tymes a synner in hys dayes. What yf he may q he? May he not quod I be also dyuers tymes in hys days in a wronge byleue and a false heresy / and after tourne / […]/[…]nd amende / & so be saued at […] god ha[…] predestynate hym to be[…] What th[…] q […] […] Mary quod I for th[…]n shall yt folowe that he shal be a member of the very chyrche and so styll cōty[…]e & neuer can be cast out beynge a s[…]a[…]ke heretyque. Yet quod he is he all that whyle a quycke mēbre of the chyrche / by reason of goddys pre[…]stynacyon / […] though he be not sure / yet yt is in dede sure that he is and euer shall be one of the very chyrche. It is quod I sure in dede & wel knowe that he so shall be. But as sure is yt that for the whyle he is not except / that all thyng that euer shall be is all redy present in dede as yt is present to goddys knowlege. and thē were saīt Poule as good whyle he was a ꝑsecutour as whan he was apostle. And as veryly a membre of Crystys chyrche or he was borne / as he is now in heuī. Well q he though that peraduenture all those that be lyuynge and predestynate to be saued be not in yt / yet may yt be yt ther be none other in yt then predestynates. But yt may be quod I that as men be chaū geable / he that is predestynate may be many tymes in hys lyfe nought. And he that wyll at laste fall to synne and wrechednes and so fynally caste hym selfe away / shall in some tyme of hys lyfe be good / and therfore for the tyme in goddys fau[…]re. For god[…] blameth nor hateth no man for yt he shal wyll / but for that malycyous wyll that he hath or hath had al redy. And thꝰ shal therby thys reason be good men oute of Crystys chyrche and nowghty men therin / faythful men out of yt and heretyques in yt / and both ye tone and ye tother wythout reason or good cawse why.