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The.xix. chapyter

ANd some lay men saye farther, that though relygyouse men h[…]ue […]tyde wy[…]h relygyouse / and that some pref[…]es haue […] wi[…]h relygyous in some poyntes […] the premynence of theyr perfeccyon / as […]

As for callyng the worldly honour of y• chyrch & of spyrytuall men, the honour of god: I wote nere whether I perceyue well▪ what this mā meaneth therby. But by the fyrste of those two thynges, that ys to wyt by the worldly honour done to the chyrch, and taken as honour done to god, he someth to meane the honoure that crysten people here in the world vse to do to the chyrch, as in byeldyng of y• chyrches fayre and goodly, & in apparellynge the chyrches for the vse of goddes seruyce honorably.

And then in the secōd poynt, that is to wytte the honour of spyrytuall persons / he meaneth I suppose suche honour as good crystē peple do & are boūdē to do to theyr prelates and theyr curates, and to prestes and relygyous persons, for the respecte and regarde that they bere both of deuocyon and very boūden diewty, to the holy sacrament of theyr sacred orders, and holy professyon of theyr godly state of lyuynge.

Then as for the thyrd poynt that is the thynges that he sayth perteyne to the encreace of ryches in spyrytuall men / hym self declareth sone after, that he meneth trentals, chaū […]eryes, obytes, pardones, & pylgrymages.

Now sayth he that some laye men laye thys for a farther thynge, that all the clergy do vse to agree to gether in all these thynges, howe so euer they happen to varye among them selfe for some other thynges. And veryly therin I thynke he sayth trewe / for so muste they do or dysplease god / and so doth euery good lay man agre with them therin to. And I haue sene yt proued by experyence, y• in some of these thynges when the lay men haue moued some thynges some tyme, wherby shold be […]estrayned some such thynges as y• clergy myght wynne by / ye and also no lytle somwhat takē from them, to that that lawfully was theyr own byfore: the clergye haue not st[…]uen wyth the temporaltye therfore / but rather then to stykke in conten[…]yon, haue suffered and let yt pa[…]e, all be yt the cantelles that haue ben cut of, haue ben somwhat broder then a brydecake, and greter then a chrystmas lofe in a righ[…] good husbandes house.

And yet where this pacyfyer sayth, that some lay men say that in all suche thynges all the clergye both seculare & […] agre and holde to […] selfe can yf he […] same some lay men […] so told hym so, that some other lay men saye naye. For they say that they se very wel, that in all those thinges there are now some suche of the clergye, suche as yt is pytye that euer they were therof, eyther seculare prestes or relygyouse persons. And yet are there some suche of bothe, whyche now caste o[…] theyr fauour frō borh […]wayne, and from the cristen fayth also / and therfore agre not to […]hese th[…]nges, as those […] this man that the whole cl[…]rgy dothe / but do bo[…]e speke & wryte agaynst al these thinges euery whyt, bothe honour to prelates, byldynge of chyrches, byenge of bellys and ornamentes, & agaynst pylgrymages, […], chaunteryes, obitis, and perdons, and fynally purgatorye to.

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